Mike Mueller, Social Media.ist

Scarcity is a Value

Over the weekend we held our Investing in Real Estate: 101 seminar.
We filled the big room of the Walnut Creek Marriott.
150 people if I heard right.
No room for walk ins.

I heard nothing but good comments so far.

One of the best things (I think) in doing these seminars is that each and every person has a card they can turn in before the end and have their question answered. They don't have to stand up, they can ask anonymously, and get a real answer to maybe something they were afraid to ask.

The question came up, "Where would you suggest investing in?"
It's an open dialogue in this part of the session.

Rob handled the question originally and rattled off some far away cities in NC, WA and then mentioned Sacramento. Charlie Krackeler didn't have much to say about it, but I did.
I objected!

Rob's point was that since Sacramento was the Capitol, it was the hub of the state.
There will always be jobs because they are not going to up and move the Capitol to Walnut Creek. Jobs equal good housing appreciation.

My point was that he is part right.
Jobs, schools, and roads all add to healthy appreciation and a good overall economy.
That's true enough.
But the world is driven by supply and demand.

I argued that pretty much anywhere in the central valley there is plenty of cheap land.




I used the area by the Arco Arena where Hwy 80 intersects Hwy 5 as an example.
I have a very good friend who bought a new house, in a new division, for 1/3 what he could have down here in the Bay Area.
By the way, the Arco Arena was originally built back in 1988 in the middle of farm land. This area is now called Natomas. and it literally is right next to the Arco Arena. It even has it's own school district!

Important Point
When we as a society need more housing we build horizontally not vertically.
That means "Out" not "Up".
That's housing - not office space.
Office space builds up not out.
We want to live in our own home, our own little homestead that we can stake out with a white picket fence.
When we go to work, we want to go to the hustling bustling towers with the corner office.
Your mileage may vary, but you can see my point.

As more Sacramento housing was needed, developers simply bought the cheapest land available (farm land) and built OUT.

Some of the most expensive residential land in the bay area is where?
In places where they can NOT or will not build out.

Case in point - the SF Peninsula.
Surrounded by water on three sides and SJ on the other where can they go?
So there is a finite amount of houses able to be built.
That means suitable housing is scarce and not plentiful.

Or look at CA coastland. Want to buy a house overlooking the ocean?
This also a good example of a limited amount of spaces available.
You and I both know you'll either pay the big bucks, or have to settle for somewhere obscure.
"Cheap coastal homesites are available in the Aleutian Islands - Call Now, Operators are Standing By!"

Looking at Natomas as an example.
I went looking for a picture of before and after.
I found a whole page on the CA website dealing with the growth in this area:
LINK
Oh, and here's another good page: LINK

Here's a picture of the area showing 1999 and then again in 2003.

1999  2003

The red squares are farmland, bluegray housing.
It's easy to see, we converted lots of farmland to housing.
And you know what's outside of the picture?
Even more farmland!

Tree-hugging aside, here's the point:
If Sacramento housing is or becomes expensive, the developer just turns around and buys more farm land and builds more houses.
Don't blame the developer, he's just doing what the market dictates he do.
he sees the demand and increases the supply.

Macro economics say...
With a diminishing supply and rising demand, prices will increase.
(Think Oil and Gas)
What do you think gas would cost if oil was plentiful and all we had to do was turn on the tap?

While the conversion of farmland to houses isn't as easy as "turning on the tap", and limited growth or no growth initiatives may stand in the way of rabid builders plowing under the fields of corn, the general idea remains.

I met yesterday with the person who posed the original question.
As it turns out they may not be able to afford a place in the bay area.
Sacramento may fit their price range.
They are First Time Home Buyers and have limited buying power.
If they buy smart, and with a good exit plan, I see no reason why not to buy where they can.

DISCLAIMER:
I am not advocating Growth or No Growth.
I am not down on Sacramento.
Farmers vs. Builders.
Golden State vs the Kings.
Arnold vs. ?
I'm simply making the case that scarcity builds value.

 


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7 commentsMike Mueller • February 06 2007 11:42AM

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The seminar approach is a good one we used to do this too now the proof in the pudding is if you go to closing!  And how many you do!!

 

REPLY FROM MIKE: Yes, and No.  In the end I am in business to do loans.  But this is also a great way to educate and improve the general well being of the world around me. 

These seminars are not a selling vehicle.

Other seminars may very well be.

 

The typical first time home buyer seminar may have 50 people RSVP, of that 5 to 10 may show.  Of that, the speakers put the screws to the few and get 1 sale?

That's not this type of seminar, not my style either. 

 

Mike Mueller 

 

Posted by Mike Mueller (Tech and Social Media Consultant) over 2 years ago

Hi Mike~ I'm a Roseville/Rocklin transplant from Pleasanton. We moved here for just that reason...could no longer afford to try to keep up with he housing prices there, which are insane! I think because of the all the new-home building this area is a good long-term investment..not so great for flippers right now~

Posted by Laura Monroe- Real Estate Virtual Assistant (Creative Agent Solutions.com (916)343-3823) over 2 years ago
Wow, standing room only? That's amazing turnout. I'm looking to try the seminar thing too, hopefully partnered up with a Realtor, but it's quite intimidating. Any suggestions for a first-timer?
Posted by Jose Luis Ramirez (5 Star Mortgage, Llc) over 2 years ago
That's an urban development plan and the state should have a map that identifies what areas are slated for re-development and development.  Here in NJ it's published as part of the NJ Division of community Affairs and the program is called Smart Growth  http://www.state.nj.us/dca/osg/smart/index.shtml  There is a wealth of information on this and other Federal/state programs available on the internet --- what did people do without that resource back in the day??
Posted by joanne Douglas (Terrie O'Connor Realtors) over 2 years ago

I agree with you 100% Mike. The only places that the housing has gone upward, is in San Francisco thus far. That is because there truely is no more land, and the demand is still there for people whom would like to live there.

Otherwise, if you look at Antioch, or Brentwood California, now more people have moved in these areas in the past four years than anywhere else that I know of. All the land that belonged to the farmers and ranchers are now large size homes, everyday they are building more and more in those areas.

Posted by Lida Sadati over 2 years ago
What you say is true, and it's what keeps the values in the Bay Area so high.  Actually, if you think about it, the more congested a place is, often the more expensive.  It seems like, what it boils down to, is commuting.  People don't want to spend their life to get to where they need to be to make a decent living.  Which begs the question: why there aren't more entrepreneurs, working from home, or near their own home, and building their local economy?  Is it just lack of confidence?
Posted by Kelley Eling (Marin & So. Sonoma Real Estate) (Frank Howard Allen Realtors ~ Luxury Portfolio) over 2 years ago

Supply and demand works in most markets... just an addition: in markets with lots of vacant land around, many existing housing prices will appreciate, albeit more slowly and steadily than new construction... people generally like to buy new if they have the option of a new house for say $400K vs an existing house 30 years old for $350K... as long as new building is feasible, the existing housing market will not climb in price as rapidly as in areas where no new construction can be had.

Of course there are always exceptions to every rule.

As far as commuting, as brought up by Kelley, there are new studies out that show that the cost of housing has somewhat of an inverse relationship to the cost of commuting... in other words, if you can buy the house for 20K less, you are likely to spend about the same as your savings on the cost of commuting. Or something like that... cant find the reference now.

Great posts and comments. 

Posted by Rhode Island Real Estate -- Focus Professionals, Inc. over 2 years ago

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